During what has been a largely dismal two years or so at Cardiff City, the green shoots of positivity have come from the emergence of talented youth products.
First there was Mark Harris, then Joel Bagan and Rubin Colwill. Isaak Davies, Oliver Denham and Eli King all shot through the ranks last season, too. Cardiff fans had seen nothing like it for a decade or more.
So, to see none of them really making any sort of impact recently, and the team's results improving without them, has raised a few eyebrows and questions among supporters. In fact, all of them, barring Denham, were sent to play in Cardiff under-21s' 4-2 win over Millwall on Tuesday.