The fear and despair in Bob Stevenson's voice is difficult to bear. The pensioner, who has seen his fuel bills almost quadruple in recent months, is scared.
Like so many around the country he admits he has no idea how he is going to survive the winter. He already goes to bed to keep warm during the day and has cut down on food.
After new estimates that energy bills could rise to more than £4,000 a year fears are growing about how people can afford to pay those higher costs. The UK Government has announced that every household in Wales, England, and Scotland will be getting a payment of £400. You can find out more about how that will be paid here.