Jordan Henderson's eyes stay fixed ahead when reminded that he's about to enter one of the most draining periods of his career - but there is a glint in them.
For the Liverpool captain, his return to action after a month out with a hamstring injury could not have come at a better time, with the Reds about to face a gruelling run of 13 games in 42 days before Henderson and several more of their stars head off to the World Cup.
And there is ground to make up.