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ESPN projects 2024 stats for Saints players: Klint Kubiak’s offense is a bust

All of the New Orleans Saints’ hopes hinge on Klint Kubiak getting their offense in shape after Pete Carmichael’s disappointing two-year run in relief of Sean Payton came to an end. Most of the starting lineup is returning from last season, and so are many depth players and established backups. If they’re going to reach the playoffs it’ll mean Kubiak got more out of those players than Carmichael did.

So this model is concerning. As he does every year after the NFL draft, ESPN’s Mike Clay shared individual stat projections for all 32 teams, including the Saints. And if he’s accurate it would mean the New Orleans-Kubiak experiment was a bust. Some modest improvements in the run game aside, Derek Carr’s numbers aren’t strong enough and the receiving corps as a whole isn’t moving the needle. These projections should be the floor for the Saints, not the ceiling to aspire to.

Let’s break it down by each position group:

Quarterback

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA – DECEMBER 10: Derek Carr #4 of the New Orleans Saints attempts to pass against Yetur Gross-Matos #97 of the Carolina Panthers during the first quarter at Caesars Superdome on December 10, 2023 in New Orleans, Louisiana. (Photo by Chris Graythen/Getty Images)

Derek Carr: 346-for-522, 3,817 yards, 22 TDs, 11 INTs (15 games)

Clay has Carr missing two games this year, which is a reasonable expectation after he was twice knocked out of matchups against the Green Bay Packers and Minnesota Vikings last season — and the New Orleans offensive line has a lot to prove after seeing one starter retire (James Hurst) and another unlikely to play this year, if ever again (Ryan Ramczyk). Clay also has Carr throwing fewer touchdowns and more interceptions in Klint Kubiak’s offense, but with more passing yards per game than we saw last year.

Running backs

TAMPA, FLORIDA – DECEMBER 31: Alvin Kamara #41 of the New Orleans Saints runs with the ball during the first quarter against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Raymond James Stadium on December 31, 2023 in Tampa, Florida. (Photo by Julio Aguilar/Getty Images)

Alvin Kamara: 183 carries, 758 yards, 5 TDs (66 catches, 484 yards, 2 TDs)

Kendre Miller: 71 carries, 310 yards, 2 TDs (31 catches, 241 yards, 1 TD)

Jamaal Williams: 85 carries, 341 yards, 2 TDs (19 catches, 110 yards)

It’s another backfield committee in New Orleans, but Kamara is expected to dominate his competition with more than half the rushing attempts (and an ever higher share of the receptions). That feels like an optimistic line for Williams with a full yard better per carry than he achieved last season. The sooner Miller is taking those touches, the better, but he must prove he can stay healthy.

Wide receivers

FOXBOROUGH, MASSACHUSETTS – OCTOBER 08: Chris Olave #12 of the New Orleans Saints and Rashid Shaheed #22 of the New Orleans Saints celebrate after Olave’s receiving touchdown during the second quarter against the New England Patriots at Gillette Stadium on October 08, 2023 in Foxborough, Massachusetts. (Photo by Maddie Malhotra/Getty Images)

Chris Olave: 138 targets, 86 catches, 1,246 yards, 6 TDs

Rashid Shaheed: 86 targets, 54 catches, 740 yards, 4 TDs

Bub Means: 28 targets, 18 catches, 218 yards, 1 TD

Cedrick Wilson: 23 targets, 14 catches, 173 yards, 1 TD

It feels like a mistake to write off A.T. Perry like this (6 targets, 4 catches, 43 yards) after he managed a dozen receptions and 246 yards last season, scoring 4 touchdowns — which tied with Jimmy Graham and Juwan Johnson for third-most on the team. But Clay projects the vacuum Michael Thomas left behind to be filled by more targets for Shaheed and modest roles for Means and Wilson. Is Perry really going to be playing behind both of them?

Tight ends

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA – DECEMBER 17: Juwan Johnson #83 of the New Orleans Saints reacts after catching a pass during the second half of the game against the New York Giants at Caesars Superdome on December 17, 2023 in New Orleans, Louisiana. (Photo by Chris Graythen/Getty Images)

Juwan Johnson: 69 targets, 45 catches, 506 yards, 4 TDs

Foster Moreau: 23 targets, 16 catches, 180 yards, 1 TD

This would be a solid bounce-back for Johnson after it took him and Carr too long to get on the same page last season, but it would be a very disappointing outcome for Moreau. He gained 793 yards in his last 32 games with the Raiders but was relegated to a blocking role that didn’t suit him last season, and Clay needs to see that plan change to believe it can happen in New Orleans.

Taysom Hill

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA – JANUARY 07: Taysom Hill #7 of the New Orleans Saints runs the ball in the first half at Caesars Superdome on January 07, 2024 in New Orleans, Louisiana. (Photo by Chris Graythen/Getty Images)

Passing: 7-for-11, 80 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs

Rushing: 61 carries, 295 yards, 3 TDs

Receiving: 40 targets, 30 catches, 271 yards, 2 TDs

Hill is such a unique player (even in fantasy football) that he deserves his own focus. These numbers would be a slight drop off from his production last season, most notably as a runner, but it remains to be seen what role Kubiak envisions for him. Hill was lining up extensively at fullback during OTAs last week, but it’s only May. He’s a dynamic athlete and should see more opportunities to make plays or create them for teammates as a blocker.

Defensive tackles

Nov 5, 2023; New Orleans, Louisiana, USA; Chicago Bears quarterback Tyson Bagent (17) has a pass blocked by New Orleans Saints defensive tackle Bryan Bresee (90) during the second half at the Caesars Superdome. Mandatory Credit: Stephen Lew-USA TODAY Sports

Nathan Shepherd: 47 tackles, 2.6 sacks

Bryan Bresee: 34 tackles, 3.6 sacks

Khalen Saunders: 48 tackles, 1.1 sacks

Jack Heflin: 15 tackles, 1.0 sacks

Khristian Boyd: 11 tackles, 0.6 sacks

Bresee had 4.5 sacks as a rookie last year so this would be disappointing regression for him, even if he’s making more tackles. He needs to prove to the coaching staff that he’s put in the work to strengthen his run defense and become a more all-around lineman. You’d like to have a more dynamic presence as the DT4 ahead of Heflin, but maybe he’s learned some things after a year on the practice squad.

Defensive ends

LANDOVER, MARYLAND – OCTOBER 10: Chase Young #99 of the Washington Football Team reacts during the first half against the New Orleans Saints at FedExField on October 10, 2021 in Landover, Maryland. (Photo by Patrick Smith/Getty Images)

Carl Granderson: 59 tackles, 7.1 sacks

Cameron Jordan: 43 tackles, 4.2 sacks

Chase Young: 31 tackles, 7.7 sacks

Tanoh Kpassagnon: 14 tackles, 1.9 sacks

Isaiah Foskey: 8 tackles, 1.0 sack

Payton Turner: 2 tackles, 0.3 sacks

Turner is the odd man out in Clay’s projections, which doesn’t line up with what we saw last season or last week at OTAs. He’s playing ahead of Foskey when healthy and was starting opposite Granderson at May practices when both Jordan and Young were recovering from offseason surgeries. Getting 7 or more sacks out of Young would be huge. This group combined for just 14 sacks altogether last year.

Linebackers

Aug 1, 2023; Metairie, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints linebacker Pete Werner (20) and linebacker Demario Davis (56) and linebacker Andrew Dowell (50) at the Ochsner Sports Performance Center. Mandatory Credit: Stephen Lew-USA TODAY Sports

Demario Davis: 120 tackles, 2.7 sacks, 0.7 INTs

Pete Werner: 82 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 0.2 INTs

Willie Gay: 61 tackles, 1.7 sacks, 0.7 INTs

It’s a competition between Werner and Gay to start next to Davis, with the third linebacker only getting on the field for limited snaps in the Saints’ base defense; they run more reps out of nickel and dime personnel by a significant margin. Right now, Clay has Werner winning that battle, though Gay is still playing 500-plus defensive snaps and making more impact plays as a pass rusher and defender in coverage.

Cornerbacks

Jun 13, 2023; New Orleans, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore (23) and cornerback Isaac Yiadom (27) look on during minicamp at the Ochsner Sports Performance Center. Mandatory Credit: Stephen Lew-USA TODAY Sports

Paulson Adebo: 81 tackles, 2.7 INTs

Marshon Lattimore: 68 tackles, 1.8 INTs

Alontae Taylor: 52 tackles, 1.4 INTs

Kool-Aid McKinstry: 27 tackles, 0.7 INTs

Clay expects Lattimore to play 880 defensive snaps, which would be his highest total since 2021 and the third-most of what will be his eight-year career. Freak accident injuries have limited him in back-to-back years so he’s due for some good luck. This may look like a logjam at cornerback to some, but McKinstry rounds out the group with 354 defensive snaps, which is plenty for a CB4.

Safeties

Jun 13, 2023; New Orleans, LA, USA; New Orleans Saints safety Tyrann Mathieu (32) looks on during minicamp at the Ochsner Sports Performance Center. Mandatory Credit: Stephen Lew-USA TODAY Sports

Tyrann Mathieu: 78 tackles, 2.5 INTs

Jordan Howden: 57 tackles, 1.6 INTs

Johnathan Abram: 70 tackles, 1.0 INTs

Clay has Howden and Abram handling comparable workloads (644 snaps and 622, respectively) while replacing Marcus Maye, but Abram has been playing ahead of the second-year pro to close out the 2023 season and open up 2024 spring practices. It would be better for the younger player to develop quickly and assert himself in the starting lineup, but it hasn’t happened just yet. Mathieu is predicted to lead the team in snaps played again (1,019).

Special teams

Sep 18, 2023; Charlotte, North Carolina, USA; New Orleans Saints place kicker Blake Grupe (19) looks toward the goal for a field goal attempt during the first quarter against the Carolina Panthers at Bank of America Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Jim Dedmon-USA TODAY Sports

Blake Grupe: 27-for-33 on FGs, 34-for-37 on PATs

Lou Hedley: 71 punts, 3,222 yards (45.1 average), 28 inside 20

Both specialists ward off their training camp competition in Clay’s projections, though Grupe would need to perform better than this to return for Year 3. He was perfect on extra points last year so this would be a trend in the wrong direction to go with no movement on his field goal tries. Net yards per punt is the stat to watch for Hedley, which Clay did not project, but landing fewer punts inside the 20 would be a problem.

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