They are hardly in Leicester City territory, but it’s fair to say bookmakers would be surprised if either of Wales’ Championship clubs were celebrating title success come next May.
At the moment Cardiff City are 25-1 to finish ahead of Norwich, Watford and the rest, with Swansea priced a few points shorter at 20-1. Of course, success in the second tier is not solely measured by titles, but more generally by promotion to the Premier League.
On that score, Swansea are just 5-1 – perhaps surprisingly just a point longer than Burnley, who have just been relegated from the top flight after a six-year stay – with Cardiff quoted at 8s. A lot can change over the course of the coming months. A few big signings here and there and the bookies may start running for cover.