The Tory DWP chief has been left red-faced after he admitted he did not know if he had met anyone who'd had their benefits docked.
The Work and Pensions Secretary Mel Stride made the admission when grilled by MPs on Wednesday on the Government's sanctions regime.
Pressed by the SNP MP David Linden whether he's ever met anyone who has been sanctioned, he told MPs: "I have been to Job Centres. I don't actually know.