Former prime minister Scott Morrison has been described as having little empathy towards welfare recipients as he looked for budget cuts instead of policies.
A former deputy secretary to the human services department says then minister Mr Morrison was apathetic towards policy when she would try to bring proposals forward.
Serena Wilson told the royal commission into the illegal robodebt scheme it was her recollection that the government rarely started policy discussions about the problems, but rather focused on "finding cost savings".
