Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, opened up about a scary moment involving her son, Archie, while she was on a royal tour of South Africa and how she was expected to prioritize "optics" over her feelings about his safety.
The former senior royal turned podcast host discussed the topic Tuesday on the debut episode of her Spotify podcast "Archetypes" in a sitdown with longtime pal and tennis star Serena Williams (before Williams announced her decision to retire from professional tennis earlier this month).
While discussing the double standard women face when they are labeled "ambitious," Meghan and Williams urged listeners to consider and "recogniz[e] what people don't see" and shared their personal experiences as friends, celebrities and moms.