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By Jade Toomey

General Angus Campbell gives further evidence to royal commission, rejects 'profound systemic failure' for specific suicide case

General Angus Campbell gave evidence for the second day in a row in Townsville.  (ABC News)

General Angus Campbell continued his evidence at hearings in Townsville this week, after previously saying defence "is not doing enough" to address suicides. 

On Friday, General Campbell was asked why an officer — known as Person C — was promoted despite a record of unacceptable behaviour that dated back at least five years.

"Do you remember that Person C had received a promotion since that period when reports of unacceptable behaviour had begun appearing on AIMS [Army Incident Management System]?" counsel assisting Peter Gray QC said.

General Campbell offered an explanation.

"No decision-maker or delegate had been in a position to consider Person C's repeated unacceptable behaviour displayed over a number of years," he said.

General Campbell said the incidents related to "different units and environments holistically and (there had been) repeated informal attempts by Person C's chain of command to correct his behaviour."

Mother's probing into son's suicide led to investigation

The officer in question eventually ceased to serve with the ADF, but only after the mother of a veteran alleged the officer's bullying had contributed to her son's death by suicide in 2017.

General Campbell was probed as to whether Person C would have remained in the defence force without the mother's intervention.

"It's possible," General Campbell said.

"Both are possible — that he may have stayed [or] that he may have ceased to serve."

General Campbell said superiors did not necessarily review a member's history of unacceptable behaviour during the promotion process.

But he rejected the idea put to him by counsel assisting that that was a "profound systemic failure".

"I see it rather as evidence of a developing system that has in it an innate tension between the responsibility to deal with incidents and seek to develop your people," General Campbell said.

No legal protection for personnel making submissions

So far, the commission has received 1,683 submissions.

About 13 per cent are from current serving personnel.

But the commission heard there were no legal protections in place for current serving personnel or veterans for "fear that they would get into trouble" for revealing sensitive information.

"I very strongly encourage current serving or veterans and families to come and speak to the royal commission," General Campbell said.

"There will be no consequences whatsoever and any supervisor who might think of that will be held to account."

However, he rejected the idea that as Chief of Defence he should issue a directive that would provide legal protection for those wishing to come forward.

"I don't actually think that direction from me obviates the responsibilities to preserve issues of national security classification," General Campbell said.

"But more particularly, I'm concerned that it's not appropriate for me to direct people to speak to the royal commission.

"So it would not be phrased as an order or direction, but rather a strong encouragement."

Recruitment and retention struggling

The commission also heard of risk factors that rendered a defence member at a higher risk of suicide.

They included men, those not of officer rank, and those under 30, along with members who had left the defence force involuntarily or on medical grounds.

In his submissions, the Chief of Defence Force said the number of personnel "separating" from the defence force in May 2022 had increased by 2 per cent in the past year.

"My views are the separation rate is higher than we need it to be in order to meet current and future recruiting and workforce objectives," General Campbell said in his submission.

"How is it that there are so many people recruited to the ADF who are so often and in such a short time found to be unsuitable for service?" counsel assisting Peter Gray asked.

"I think it reflects the challenge of recruiting into an organisation that… may not either suit the person or the person may not be suited to it," General Campbell said.

"Of course, I would like a different dataset here."

He was questioned about the effectiveness of the ADF's current recruitment drive, which has recently slightly reduced its standards for physical fitness.

"Doesn't this have the potential to create adverse outcomes and possibly a vicious cycle where more and more people will be recruited unsuitably who will discharge early, adding to the churn the ADF is facing?" he was asked. 

"I see the logic in your point," General Campbell said.

The hearings will continue in Townsville next week.

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