There was a moment in Leeds Rhinos' dismal defeat to Hull FC that suggested their issues are far greater than many had believed.
After Andre Savelio had crashed through another case of feeble defence, the players trudged to the try-line, heads down, defeated.
As they waited for the conversation they stood as individuals, hands on hips, staring vaguely into the distance with moody faces. There was no talk, no communication, no plan to address their issues or how to try and win the game. It was a team that had conceded defeat.